[SunRay-Users] VDA licenses hurting VDI

Ivar Janmaat ijanmaat at xs4all.nl
Fri Mar 18 02:28:16 EET 2011

Hello Guys,

Please relax!
I thought I had chosen my subject carefully.

Microsoft is delaying VDI by charging excessively on the VDA licenses.
They argue that you should pay extra for the flexibility of VDA licenses.
In my opion this is crap. An OEM license is much cheaper.
One could also argue that Microsoft should charge less for VDA than OEM 
licenses since most of the time my VM pool has a lot less running 
Windows instances than there are Sun Rays.
So this is all strategic thinking of Microsoft until they can come up 
with some thing else to make money.

Now Remote FX is evolving and Microsoft might have the new money maker 
it waited for.
My guess is that Oracles new features probably will need to use Remote FX.
So that is why I asked for an update on VDA licensing.
The whole idea seems to be that Citrix will use Remote FX and expand 
that with HDX for WAN.
HDX is of course ugly because it needs players and codecs on the client.
ALP would be a much cleaner implemention with Remote FX.

However I also see some problems.
Microsoft is also pushing Hyper-V and I am not sure if the Microsoft 
EULA will allow Remote FX on say Virtualbox.
I don't see Oracle as OEM Remote FX partner on the Microsoft website.
There seems to be a Remote FX chip design...Sun Ray 4 feature?
Wyse, Dell, HP, Citrix are all mentioned as OEM partners.
This would indicate that there might be OEM licensing model involved.

It appears as if Oracle is not joining fully so that does worry me...
That's why I also asked for an update.
But since it is hard for Oracle people to speak about roadmaps I was not 
very specific.
This might have left some room for misinterpretation.
I am sorry about that...

Kind regards,


Kind regards,


Craig Bender schreef:
> All taken care of.
> I just talked to Larry Ellison (he as out sailing an still took my 
> call!) who gave me Bill Gates' cell phone.  Bill said if if you 
> forward this email out to 1000 people from a Windows 7 PC using 
> Outlook, his friends at Intel will track that you are a Windows 7 and 
> Outlook user. They will send you a free Windows VDA license, and also 
> Free copy of Office 2010 Professional for each of your friends that 
> forward it on.  I also read something about this in the USA TODAY, so 
> it has to be true. All part of some MS/AOL email beta test.
> OK, joking.  But seriously?  Please explain how is the hurting the Sun 
> Ray business case?  Why don't you hurt Microsoft and run Linux or 
> Solaris and publish Windows apps from a terminal server via SGD?
> To be clear:
> ANY Non-Windows 7 device needs a WVDA license (all Wyse, all HP, all 
> Igel, all Dell, All EVERYTHING)
> ALL Windows 7 device not covered by an enterprise Software Assurance 
> agreement has to pay for a WDA license.
> All non-corporate owned devices has to pay for a WVDA license.  That 
> includes the bosses iPad that the tech guy loaded the Desktop Receiver 
> to accesses their XenDesktop install on.
> This is true for Citrix XenDesktop, VMware View, nComputing, and even 
> Microsoft VDI.
> All of the above includes, is not limited to:
> -Non-corporate owned PCs (i.e. a Contractor's PC)
> -Devices that are do not run Windows 7
> -All non-windows based thin-clients
> -All Thin Clients running non-SA covered versions of MS Operating System
> i.e. WinCE or Embedded XP thin clients must purchase WVDA
> -Smart phones (iPhone, BlackBerry, etc)
> -Apple Products.  Macbook, iPad, iMac
> -Linux/Unix based desktops or laptop
> -PCs with OEM Windows 7 licenses that are 90 days past their purchase 
> date.
> i.e. PCs bought in January can be upgraded to SA cover available 
> through March, but not in April
> Sure, you get some "roaming rights".  But only for non-corporate owned 
> devices that access the VDI infrastructure from *OUTSIDE* the 
> corporate network.  So that iPad you brought in on Weds?  WVDA 
> required.  That blackberry tablet the company owns?  WVDA required.
> BTW, you get the same roaming rights with a WVDA, so you can use your 
> home PC or Mac to access the VDI if you got WVDA for your corp 
> purchased Sun Ray.
> So if you don't want to pay for a MS VDA license you have three options:
> 1) Don't run Windows via VDI.  Use Ubuntu, it's great.
> 2) If you need Windows, use Terminal Services
> 3) Buy a PC with Windows 7 on it and run OVDC.  Upgrade to SA (if you 
> can) and then pay 27% of the OS cost a year for a 3 year minimum.
> Oh, you directed purchasing to buy Win 7 Ultimate for everyone?  Ouch.
> -Also, be prepared lose all the security, admin, and power savings of 
> a true thin client.
> -If buying a Windows 7 "cloud PC", please refer to the previous email 
> about the maintenance costs of the Sun Ray 3i being too high and be 
> sure to add on all the "extras" you will be charged to manage this 
> "Cloud PC" in the same manner as you would a Sun Ray.
> If you can't make the case for Sun Ray over a PC running Windows 7 to 
> access a VDI environment, then everyone who makes a non-windows 7 SA 
> capable device or software client for a non-windows 7 SA capable 
> should just get out of the business right now.
> On 3/16/11 2:03 PM, Ivar Janmaat wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Is there any news on the VDA licenses from Microsoft?
>> The yearly $100 license is hurting the Sun ray business cases.
>> Is Oracle addressing this issue?
>> Kind regards,
>> Ivar
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