[SunRay-Users] VDA licenses hurting VDI

Craig Bender Craig.Bender at Oracle.com
Thu Mar 17 01:50:25 EET 2011



On 3/16/11 3:59 PM, Jonathan C. Bailey wrote:
> Got a laugh from this...

Thanks.  I'm here all week.  Tip the waitstaff.  ;)
>
> In regards to the Ubuntu comment, we'd LOVE to run Ubuntu with the Sun Ray software, but OUTSIDE of a VDI setup (more terminal services-like). We currently use OEL 5 for some kiosk terminals, but I keep finding rough edges where I'd much prefer Ubuntu in place of OEL.
>

I would too, but I'd love it more if Canonical would do this.

> -Jon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craig Bender"<Craig.Bender at Oracle.com>
> To: "SunRay-Users mailing list"<sunray-users at filibeto.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 4:57:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] VDA licenses hurting VDI
>
> All taken care of.
>
> I just talked to Larry Ellison (he as out sailing an still took my
> call!) who gave me Bill Gates' cell phone.  Bill said if if you forward
> this email out to 1000 people from a Windows 7 PC using Outlook, his
> friends at Intel will track that you are a Windows 7 and Outlook user.
> They will send you a free Windows VDA license, and also Free copy of
> Office 2010 Professional for each of your friends that forward it on.  I
> also read something about this in the USA TODAY, so it has to be true.
> All part of some MS/AOL email beta test.
>
> OK, joking.  But seriously?  Please explain how is the hurting the Sun
> Ray business case?  Why don't you hurt Microsoft and run Linux or
> Solaris and publish Windows apps from a terminal server via SGD?
>
> To be clear:
>
> ANY Non-Windows 7 device needs a WVDA license (all Wyse, all HP, all
> Igel, all Dell, All EVERYTHING)
>
> ALL Windows 7 device not covered by an enterprise Software Assurance
> agreement has to pay for a WDA license.
>
> All non-corporate owned devices has to pay for a WVDA license.  That
> includes the bosses iPad that the tech guy loaded the Desktop Receiver
> to accesses their XenDesktop install on.
>
> This is true for Citrix XenDesktop, VMware View, nComputing, and even
> Microsoft VDI.
>
> All of the above includes, is not limited to:
>
> -Non-corporate owned PCs (i.e. a Contractor's PC)
>
> -Devices that are do not run Windows 7
>
> -All non-windows based thin-clients
>
> -All Thin Clients running non-SA covered versions of MS Operating System
> i.e. WinCE or Embedded XP thin clients must purchase WVDA
>
> -Smart phones (iPhone, BlackBerry, etc)
>
> -Apple Products.  Macbook, iPad, iMac
>
> -Linux/Unix based desktops or laptop
>
> -PCs with OEM Windows 7 licenses that are 90 days past their purchase date.
> i.e. PCs bought in January can be upgraded to SA cover available through
> March, but not in April
>
> Sure, you get some "roaming rights".  But only for non-corporate owned
> devices that access the VDI infrastructure from *OUTSIDE* the corporate
> network.  So that iPad you brought in on Weds?  WVDA required.  That
> blackberry tablet the company owns?  WVDA required.
>
> BTW, you get the same roaming rights with a WVDA, so you can use your
> home PC or Mac to access the VDI if you got WVDA for your corp purchased
> Sun Ray.
>
> So if you don't want to pay for a MS VDA license you have three options:
>
> 1) Don't run Windows via VDI.  Use Ubuntu, it's great.
> 2) If you need Windows, use Terminal Services
> 3) Buy a PC with Windows 7 on it and run OVDC.  Upgrade to SA (if you
> can) and then pay 27% of the OS cost a year for a 3 year minimum.
>
> Oh, you directed purchasing to buy Win 7 Ultimate for everyone?  Ouch.
> -Also, be prepared lose all the security, admin, and power savings of a
> true thin client.
> -If buying a Windows 7 "cloud PC", please refer to the previous email
> about the maintenance costs of the Sun Ray 3i being too high and be sure
> to add on all the "extras" you will be charged to manage this "Cloud PC"
> in the same manner as you would a Sun Ray.
>
> If you can't make the case for Sun Ray over a PC running Windows 7 to
> access a VDI environment, then everyone who makes a non-windows 7 SA
> capable device or software client for a non-windows 7 SA capable should
> just get out of the business right now.
>
>
>
> On 3/16/11 2:03 PM, Ivar Janmaat wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Is there any news on the VDA licenses from Microsoft?
>> The yearly $100 license is hurting the Sun ray business cases.
>> Is Oracle addressing this issue?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Ivar
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