[SunRay-Users] VDA licenses hurting VDI

Jonathan C. Bailey jbailey at co.marshall.ia.us
Thu Mar 17 00:59:46 EET 2011

Got a laugh from this...

In regards to the Ubuntu comment, we'd LOVE to run Ubuntu with the Sun Ray software, but OUTSIDE of a VDI setup (more terminal services-like). We currently use OEL 5 for some kiosk terminals, but I keep finding rough edges where I'd much prefer Ubuntu in place of OEL.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Bender" <Craig.Bender at Oracle.com>
To: "SunRay-Users mailing list" <sunray-users at filibeto.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 4:57:18 PM
Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] VDA licenses hurting VDI

All taken care of.

I just talked to Larry Ellison (he as out sailing an still took my 
call!) who gave me Bill Gates' cell phone.  Bill said if if you forward 
this email out to 1000 people from a Windows 7 PC using Outlook, his 
friends at Intel will track that you are a Windows 7 and Outlook user. 
They will send you a free Windows VDA license, and also Free copy of 
Office 2010 Professional for each of your friends that forward it on.  I 
also read something about this in the USA TODAY, so it has to be true. 
All part of some MS/AOL email beta test.

OK, joking.  But seriously?  Please explain how is the hurting the Sun 
Ray business case?  Why don't you hurt Microsoft and run Linux or 
Solaris and publish Windows apps from a terminal server via SGD?

To be clear:

ANY Non-Windows 7 device needs a WVDA license (all Wyse, all HP, all 
Igel, all Dell, All EVERYTHING)

ALL Windows 7 device not covered by an enterprise Software Assurance 
agreement has to pay for a WDA license.

All non-corporate owned devices has to pay for a WVDA license.  That 
includes the bosses iPad that the tech guy loaded the Desktop Receiver 
to accesses their XenDesktop install on.

This is true for Citrix XenDesktop, VMware View, nComputing, and even 
Microsoft VDI.

All of the above includes, is not limited to:

-Non-corporate owned PCs (i.e. a Contractor's PC)

-Devices that are do not run Windows 7

-All non-windows based thin-clients

-All Thin Clients running non-SA covered versions of MS Operating System
i.e. WinCE or Embedded XP thin clients must purchase WVDA

-Smart phones (iPhone, BlackBerry, etc)

-Apple Products.  Macbook, iPad, iMac

-Linux/Unix based desktops or laptop

-PCs with OEM Windows 7 licenses that are 90 days past their purchase date.
i.e. PCs bought in January can be upgraded to SA cover available through 
March, but not in April

Sure, you get some "roaming rights".  But only for non-corporate owned 
devices that access the VDI infrastructure from *OUTSIDE* the corporate 
network.  So that iPad you brought in on Weds?  WVDA required.  That 
blackberry tablet the company owns?  WVDA required.

BTW, you get the same roaming rights with a WVDA, so you can use your 
home PC or Mac to access the VDI if you got WVDA for your corp purchased 
Sun Ray.

So if you don't want to pay for a MS VDA license you have three options:

1) Don't run Windows via VDI.  Use Ubuntu, it's great.
2) If you need Windows, use Terminal Services
3) Buy a PC with Windows 7 on it and run OVDC.  Upgrade to SA (if you 
can) and then pay 27% of the OS cost a year for a 3 year minimum.

Oh, you directed purchasing to buy Win 7 Ultimate for everyone?  Ouch.
-Also, be prepared lose all the security, admin, and power savings of a 
true thin client.
-If buying a Windows 7 "cloud PC", please refer to the previous email 
about the maintenance costs of the Sun Ray 3i being too high and be sure 
to add on all the "extras" you will be charged to manage this "Cloud PC" 
in the same manner as you would a Sun Ray.

If you can't make the case for Sun Ray over a PC running Windows 7 to 
access a VDI environment, then everyone who makes a non-windows 7 SA 
capable device or software client for a non-windows 7 SA capable should 
just get out of the business right now.

On 3/16/11 2:03 PM, Ivar Janmaat wrote:
> Hello,
> Is there any news on the VDA licenses from Microsoft?
> The yearly $100 license is hurting the Sun ray business cases.
> Is Oracle addressing this issue?
> Kind regards,
> Ivar
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